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Posted by randomuser 2010-01-18 21:06:57 GMT


I know that the game logs got purged because of the bug, and that's no problem.

I was wondering, if the log is recoverable, whether it would be worth it to manually fix the Tournament Final (Game Number 6138) log, since that game is a little more watched and probably of more noteworthiness than your average random game.

I think only one or two moves have been made since the bug, but I don't know how hard it would be to make that log whole.

Posted by Hammerite This user is an administrator. 2010-01-18 21:26:57 GMT


Oh dear, I completely forgot about the tournament. I had no idea that game was still going to be honest. If you know precisely what the moves were, or you know everything about them apart from what cards were used, it can be reconstructed (but only because it's an important game).

Posted by randomuser 2010-01-18 22:21:44 GMT


If you have the log up to the bug, I think I can reconstruct it. Also the participants might know for sure. I'm pretty sure grey just did a double rail and ship (I think I know which rails but I'm not 100% sure, but I can check to see which rails have already been built).

Purple I'm less sure about but the dollar amount matches up to a double rail and a development. I could check this too by seeing how much iron was paid out the last time someone played an iron, and I could check the rail links by seeing what had already been played.

Luckily it's in turn 2 of rail, so it wouldn't be a lot to reconstruct.

If the original log isn't present, however, I don't think it would be recoverable.

Posted by Hammerite This user is an administrator. 2010-01-18 22:50:07 GMT


The log up to red's last turn has been restored.

Posted by randomuser 2010-01-18 23:17:09 GMT


OK let's see now...

Going through purple:

t1: develop away l1 mill, l1 coal
t2: play l1 mill
t4: play l1 ironworks
t5: dev away l1 mill, l2 mill, l1 port, l1 port
t6: play l2 coal
t7: play l2 port
t8: build l2 mill

t1: build l2 coal

Red on his t2 rail builds an ironworks which sells 4 iron cubes for 6, which means after his turn the demand track is all filled.

Before purple's t2 rail, he should have 1 l2 mill left, 1 l2 port, 2 l3 coals, 1 l2 ironworks, 2 l0 shipyards.

At present, he is missing an l2 ironworks and a l2 cotton mill compared to that.

On t1 rail, he built bolton->wigin and blackburn->bolton

He now in addition has liverpool->wigin and blackburn->burnley

so I'm pretty sure his t2 rail is develop away a l2 ironworks and a l2 cotton mill, build rail liverpool->wigin and blackburn->burnley. This matches up with the amount he spent: 2 for the development and 15 + 1 + 2 for the double rail. (I'll true up the coal demand track figure below.)

Grey on t1 rail builds manchester->w&r and bolton->manchester and a coal mine.

On t2 rail he has a shipyard built as well as preston->southport and southport->liverpool

From that we know his two moves were to double rail and then build the shipyard.

We know he paid 50 for that, and working backwards we can see that the shipyard cost 25 + 3 for the coal + 2 for the iron, and that the double rail cost 15 + 3 + 2 for the two coal, which also totals up to 50.

From that we can determine that at the end of purple's turn, there were three open spots in coal, and two open spots in iron. This trues up purple's cost for his double rail above.

In terms of cards, the cards used so far, by comparing the lists are:

Birkenhead, Ellesmere Port, Fleetwood, Manchester, 5 coal mines, 2 iron works, and 3 shipyards, which correspond to the 7 turns which have taken place.

The game log accounts for: Fleetwood, Coal Mine, Manchester, Iron Works, Shipyard, Coal Mine, Coal Mine, Coal Mine, Iron Works, Shipyard

which means that the tossed cards in the two missing turns were: Birkenhead, Ellesmere Port, Coal Mine, Shipyard.

The shipyard was used by Grey as his second action, but the other three I don't think there is any way to distinguish. On the other hand, it is doubtful that something that specific will matter.

I write all this out in case someone wants to double check my logic in case I overlooked something.

Posted by Hammerite This user is an administrator. 2010-01-18 23:53:28 GMT


OK, you may want to review the edited log and check that you agree with what it says. The log should take care of itself from now on (though the reported times of moves will be wrong).

Posted by randomuser 2010-01-19 00:02:31 GMT


Cool thanks a lot for that! I'm sure I'm not the only one who is interested this.

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